I was paging thru all of the great upload masters with more than 100 models and there are over 350 users !! There are (29) users with over 200 models and there are (58) users with over 250 models.
This is really good that great and talented people are involved, but also shows that the uploader badge needs to be improved by scaling up and eliminating the ridiculous single uploader badge. Anyone can upload any junk and automatically get a badge for their 'first' upload.
The badge award system needs revamping and needs to award the users who contributed so much by over-achieving and more than doubling the maximum of 100 models.
This could be a single isolated badge of KING UPLOADER or any other title you would like to give it.
I think that the badge should be a very prestigious design that gives an nod to those who have really put a lot of energy into helping make your site what it is today.
I think that the minimum should be at least 200 models, but 250 models would also be acceptable.
Since there are extremely few that have uploaded over 500 models (like 4 people worldwide), you may even want to consider creating an even higher badge like SUPREME CAD BEING OVER ALL THEY SURVEY for these folks as well. :-D
A GrabCad badge dose not really count for much. Quantity has little value if the quality is not there, the models uploaded are not vetted for quality. To give the badge system any real value would require someone to make a judgment call on the merits of the models uploaded. Do the GrabCad management want to be involved with the fallout from making this sort of judgment ?. It's all just a casual place for amateurs and professionals to share their interest in CAD modeling.
Steven really !!! Like Grabcad even care !!!
We both have over a hundred models and we both have been running groups for them for what over 3 years !!!
You have to literally beg them for a made up community leader badge.
I am surprised anyone even bothers.
I agree Lawrie, I would prefer badges to recognise quality over quantity. Many years ago, I suggested that models should be awarded pins for quality, intricacy, and methodology. It also goes to the point system where a simple shape model "LIKE's" is no different from a complex multi part assembly. Not that badges or points are a tangible commodity.
There is a Russian proverb "Quantity has its own Quality".
There is no one in this community that has created over 10 models of junk let alone over 100 models of junk.
In fact I have been screaming to remove all of the spamming ZERO contributors since you lose NOTHING !
A badge is simply recognizing for some contribution or ability.
The mere fact that someone gets a badge for contributing a single model doesn't mean that they are a CAD genius !
My point is that if someone took the effort to make over 200 models they SHOULD BE recognized and appreciated. A badge is the simpliest way to do so.
If you don't think badges mean anything then get rid of these as they mean NOTHING to me ! :
* INSIDER (this is like the illuminati of grabcad ! )
* TRUSTED COMPANY (I thought that this was non-commercial ?)
* GRABCAD PRINT CERTIFICATION - (like who really cares ?)
* MODEL OF THE WEEK - (this has been dead for over 5 years !)
* STAFF (people who work there *know* who they are)
I hereby award you all emoticon badges !
Don't get me wrong, a model contributed is still a model contributed but additional to this, recognition should also be equally given for quality and useful models.
There is no reason to continue Screaming at the members when nothing will be done unless GRABCAD Staff & management address the issues raised. I understand your frustration but unless you find a way to make the GRABCAD organisation react positively to your suggestions, nothing will change and your blood pressure will continue to rise..
That is exactly what I am doing here in the GRABCAD forum - raising the question AGAIN.
I am showing how there are many positive things that can be done to improve the site and eliminate many of the problems by *useful* changes; not changes that are some hidden agenda that no one here cares about or supports.
I couldn't agree with you more about quality of models, but awarding someone who simply uploads a single model is NOT an achievement by any standard. Uploading over 200 models is. And before you jump down the pike of "well how good are they ?", let me remind you that WE are the judges by downloading and commenting.
How many CRAP models are you or anyone else in their right mind is going to download ? This is why certain users have a ton of models that no none wants and they are down in the weeds of anonymity.
For too long everyone wants a better site, but STILL NO CHANGES, only the same problems.
Thank you for my badges. Much appreciated haha !
People have been raising this badge issue for endless years with endless promises that it would be sorted out and changes would be made.
People like us have literally wasted hours, days, months and years of our lives running and moderating Grabcad groups and building their websites with models archives simply to get nothing in return.
Grabcad is simply a waste of time an appears to be an abandoned platform. Where are the staff members? it appears like they only pop in for a checkup now and then. We are they only idiots who are here every day. The only badges they appear to be giving out recently are deleted account badges unless you beg and grovel.
I have had enough of wasting my time.
I understand that the badges system is currently out of date. We are in the process of revamping the whole entire badges system with new badges and an automatic system that rewards members for the badges. Due to the pandemic and other means we had to refocus our efforts on different aspects of GrabCAD at the moment. When we do have more time to come back to this subject we will do what we can to make the Badges system a lot better. For now please give us any feedback that you can and we will make sure to take a look at it.
GrabCAD Community manager
We have all heard this same excuse for years from Grabcad
"We are currently in the process of reviewing the badges system"
Then if you make a change it only applies to new members.
What about people like myself and Steven who have uploaded hundreds of models over years that took months of design time. We have literally been here every day running your groups for you from day one from beta testing. If we don't deserve a community leader badge then who does ? Grabcad staff have not given anything in return but endless false promises. And now again more false promises. Just getting really sick of this now.
As a now retired engineering technician GrabCad badges have no value, if I was still working they would have no value. Proper professional qualifications and reputation will keep you employable and have a value to an engineer, GrabCad badges are worthless in the real world. Much of the content on Grabcad, models and tutorials, as regards to being of any real value to an engineer is limited, there are many tutorials and models that are good examples of the wrong way to design and manufacture engineered products, with the number of GrabCad members and contributions from enthusiastic amateurs to experienced professionals, this is hardly surprising. GrabCad is not designed to be a serious place for CAD professionals with quality checked and certified content, such as the models we download from manufacturer sites such as SKF or SEW, it's just a bit of fun badges don't matter, even if your ego has placed a great importance on how many, and what for, need for GrabCad badges should not be your reason to come here. Along with the ordanary and mediocre, there are also some gems, John Fall for example, has placed on this site, a digital museum of technology from the past. If you can't accept GrabCad as it is, getting upset and taking the valueless badge system way too seriously, you can always leave or make your own " perfect " site
"GrabCad is not designed to be a serious place for CAD professionals with quality checked and certified content"
Then why are MILLIONS of people coming here to download models everyday ?
I agree that there is NO quality check on the models, but who doesn't quality check their models from any source ? I have found errors from CAE and CAD software vendors and directly from the source, so NO I don't expect perfection or some certification of models that are FREE.
This site whether you agree with it or not is a TIME SAVER. The models help someone get started even at the most primitive level. Someone does NOT have start from scratch and can immediately show some level of progress whenever they download a model.
Are models sized wrong, colored wrong, textured wrong, or for any other metric like manufacturing tolerances wrong ? HELL YES ! I wouldn't trust any of them, but if I need to rough-in something for a fast concept check, then yes they are fine.
As the saying goes, "if you want something done right, do it yourself". This DEFINITELY applied to all the models here, but in the same way for those who do not have the time or in many cases, the talent to create a finely crafted model, its a god send for them. In many cases they can show progress without getting fired for their lack of skill or competence.
The REAL PROFESSIONALS have no issues in making models as they make them as simple as cooking a meal or putting their clothes on. Its that natural for them. And the reason that they do it is because they actually like helping others.
And its THOSE that need the kudos to be constantly reminded that everyone is thankful for their FREE efforts when any one in their right mind would probably be doing something else - like making money and keeping their talent professional and private, just like lawyers and doctors do.
So I don't need a lecture on what professionals do. I am here as a CONTRIBUTER not a parasite (which seems that they are the ones being protected and honored).
None of this makes the slightest difference to the value or requirement for GrabCad badges. I place what I wish on GrabCad what I want to, I don't need need to have my ego artificially inflated with meaningless badges from GrabCad. Over my working life I have just worked away, nothing I have been involved with has been cutting edge or ground breaking, I have just plodded away, at my profession, the requirement for praise and pats on the back not important, just a completed project performing as it should and the customer happy to pay their bill, that's what being a professional is. The number of GrabCad badges, or not, has NO PROFFESIONAL VALUE, in terms of one's career, GrabCad badges are worthless. Of course the "takers" on GrabCad now outnumber the givers and if you wish to place examples of your work on GrabCad you either accept this or leave, if you desire things to be different you can always create your own site. There is nothing special about uploading 100 + models, if you have been in an engineering career for long enough it is easy, most of what I have posted myself is from work done 20+ years ago, or work i have done recently since retirement for a tramways museum. Many long time and proficient, long time GrabCad contributors don't seem overly concerned about a "special" badge for the number of models. Most seem to take GrabCad as I do, it gives you a place to keep some of your work, some of which may be of use to others.
If you are very happy with the current trend of things, then there is no point in adding any value to this thread. Go along and 'be happy'. This thread is about discord in the community and if you want to say LA-LA-LA-LA so be it. There is no value is saying ME TOO, only your own ego.
This thread is about CHANGE and NOW is time to do it. I am a patient person and have seen many good things from this social media but also the bad and the really, really ugly.
Go create your own thread about how happy you are and how contented you have become. I am looking to improve the community and that comes from change - but POSITIVE changes, not suppressing or supporting those who are best of the community.
I appreciate your inputs and your value as a major model contributor, but there is a good reason to evolve into something better that we should be involved with as a community.
The fact that I even mentioned something as trivial as a badge and there is more discourse in this one thread about people opinions all over the board just goes to show how bad its gotten.
Change, to have any value has to have a point to it. Having an excess of 100 models can mean nothing at all. To add 100 models to a profile, one could just go onto SEW, SKF traceparts or any other manufacturer parts library and upload the models that are sourced from these places, looking at some of the models I have seen on GrabCad it would not surprise me if this has not been done before. Another badge is not the great positive change that you are trying to have taken up because GarabCad badges are not real. they are not like the professional qualifications we gain, that are given to us after we have passed the exams required and the results have been vetted by the authorizing agency. GrabGad badges are issued via a loose set of rules with no checks and balances, and in real terms, will always mean absolutely nothing. I do not think the GrabCad management wants to get into the position of becoming the model police. GrabCad, being just another form of social media, should never be taken too seriously. When you create a thread don't expect everyone to tell you how wonderful your idea is, it is just your opinion not fact, and any other opinions are just as valid as yours. I take GrabCad as it comes, being made up of a million plus members from all over the world some contributing, many just taking, we have to take it as it is, they are not trying to run a police state here, we don't own, it or pay for keeping it going.
Value is added to any discussion in the form of a persons opinion whatever it may be, worthlessness comes from no one disagreeing and just following along blindly, is the, "what a wonderful idea what ever you say" , approach, is this the only opinion permitted in your thread?. Look what that approach has done to the Republican Party and the governance of your county. In the discussion on this thread, varying opinions are as valid as yours, and entitled to be here as much as yours .
Keep your politics out this. What do have to add value here ? Because I just a hear a rant !
I'm not ranting I am just giving my opinion that the addition of a new 100+ upload badge is a silly pointless addition that will add nothing to GrabCad. It will mean nothing as do all of the other badges as in the social media environment, here on Grabcad, with no possible proper vetting and a million+ members some, just casual, it is a too bigger job to tun into anything that actually has a real value or meaning, other for than the ego of the recipient. Why don't you if you, think your idea has real merit, value and can be implemented in a way that will have any value tell us how this is all going to work. After all as engineers we should be used to presenting our argument as a series of facts and how we will actually make them work to produce the desired outcome. You are yet to put up an argument of how to make any of the badge system mean anything real or important to the GrabCad community, so important that we must take this step.
Olah Amigos! Tranquilo! Tranquilo!
Can we all agree that
1/ Though GRABCAD is a great idea and platform that there are many ways that it can be improved for the benefit of those that contribute to it
2/ As much as it is desired that changes take place, nothing will happen until GRABCAD management initiate such. This is not some revolutionary regime change that members can assume control over. As frustrated as you may be, you still have the personal freedom to walk away from it.
3/ It is up to GRABCAD to respond to those that contribute to the site in a positive interaction or suffer withdrawal of support to its detriment. A living and growing organism needs to adapt to its environment in both to the life sustaining nutrients and pestilent attacks upon such or wither away to be replaced by another entity. It would be interesting to find out the relevance of GRABCAD and how it plays out to the inner workings of the Stratasys organisation.
4/ As in Niebuhr's Prayer
grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
courage to change the things I can,
and wisdom to know the difference
5/ The amount of changes to the site to meet the expectations of contributors would seem to require a fundamental restructuring with a new framework and revamp of existing gauges for models & members.
6/ This whole dialogue started with suggestion of adding another badge but like the Dutch boy focused with his finger in the dyke this has highlighted the greater threat beyond that.
7/ Before the villagers grab their pitchforks and get into a frenzy amongst themselves, maybe every one should take on a stoic attitude and approach Kesa & the GRABCAD Staff in an unheated dialogue as to what is going on & planned (the lack of a big surprising rollout is not surprise!) . Over the years there have been many suggestions put forth to the staff which they can pull up from archived messages thus negating a rehashing of old sentiments by those already sent.
Possibly start a petition,
Maybe GRABCAD could review old messages and create a survey for insiders as well as active members with standing (preset limit of LIKE's, downloads, points) as to their thoughts on ways forward.
Tangible rewards for active contributors ( possible 3D printing coupons for Stratasys print centers, Stratasys printing supplies which is an add on bonus marketing scheme for them)
There are thousands of ways to be productive instead of fighting amongst ourselves.
If GRABCAD does not want to come to the table, it will be their loss
We appreciate all the feedback and all of your opinions and concerns. We hear you and we are listening but as I said GrabCAD is currently been refocused on different issues at the moment. As Community Manager, I'm voicing your concerns to the Team and letting them know exactly what needs to be done for all our community members.
Thank you for all the feedback once again
GrabCAD Community Manager
No disrespect Kesa,
But considering the ongoing delays counted in years, it comes across like "The cheques in the Mail" or "I'm from the government & here to help"
As the natives are getting restless, is there any further info you can offer at this time? Or is there a way to start a dialogue between members & GRABCAD staff on this matter to further voice their concerns?
Send grabcad emails to these 131 "STAFF" people that should help get things rolling.
I mean that's what the badge is for - right ?
and I quote :
"Spotting a member with this badge gives you right and freedom to ask anything about or suggest new ideas for GrabCAD. We take note, give support, share the power and work on making this place the best in the universe."
I assure you there is no such Russian proverb. There is only a philosophical law in Hegel's dialectic "On the inevitable transition of quantity into quality" So this can already be considered a German proverb)))
Okay thank you for the correction ! I like German (and Japanese) manufacturing for quality controlled products, so its interesting that you mentioned this. Perhaps this may one day apply to Chinese made goods.
I don't see many users on grabcad that are mass contributors of junk models. They may start out with them initially but as their skills develop, they usually get better and better. I think that this is part of that transition and why very large contributors are 'usually' not that bad. The usage of the model may be poor (low downloads) but the quality isn't that bad.
Well Steve, you have had a day or so, to come up with a practical and sound system for rewarding the egos of those that have upload large numbers of models that would actually mean anything. GrabCad being just another form of social media, should be considered in the same light as other social media, such as facebook, twitter youtube and others. As in all of the other platforms, tight control of the content or value of that content is no way controllable, its part of the way social media is designed. Likes, thumbs up, thumbs down, smiley faces, frowning sad faces, and all the badges and insignia, that are attached to posts on social media are totally meaningless as are all of these things on this this GrabCad social media. These tokens, placed on social media are a bit like the popular kids at school, no real reflection on reality.
Like many others I only place on GrabCad stuff that I am prepared to give away. I don't place anything from projects anyone who has paid for and holds the rights to work I have done, also as would be probable for others on this social media platform, I have not uploaded any of my work that would be considered a cockup either, so any GrabCad badge is not a true indication abilities or failings.
As you have worked out for yourself, not a difficult task, that as it stands, the badge system is worthless, so why add to it with another worthless token. Do some real objective thinking, uncontrollable social media platform, many members world wide, professionals, amateurs, skilled, not skilled, givers takers spammers, think about it objectively, another badge can never have any real meaning in this environment. Personally I judge any contribution on GrabCad by it;s own merits not by the badges or GrabCad "awards" that may appear. Quantity of uploads means nothing, sometimes it just takes one upload to make a significant contribution. One member uoloaded a head for a Norton 750, not even modeled, but from a scan, that had been done extremely well, he probably will never get a meaningless award for being a "massive uploader" but it was a useful contribution and no meaningless GrabCad badge is needed.
Well Lawrie ;
Looks like you can really drone on and get not a damn thing accomplished - congrats for NOTHING !
The only thing I learned is how worthless your opinons are and how de-constructive they can be.
Make sure you continue your dribble meaningless drone and bore everyone with total crap.
Congrats on your big win !
We're all much better off in the cesspool of the current grabcad community.
I have at least accomplished way more than you. An argument to support my view regarding the pointlessness and difficulty of implementing a 100+ upload badge. You have put up nothing concerning the value or point of this badge, or any possibility of making it have any real value. What applies to all social media also applies to the GrabCad version of social media.
One small piece of advice though. If you wish to be taken seriously at a professional level, when you have an alternative, viewpoint, support your alternative view with a concept based on how it will work, why it will work, all of the reasons it will improve what is existing. All you have put up here is: " how dare you have that viewpoint, as you don't think that my idea is wonderful, it must be wrong ".